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Disable automatic saved hosts
by boucherjeanfra on Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:06 pm
Hi,
In the version 7 of Mini-Control, is it possible to disable the "automatic" save to a new host ?
I verified twice in the settings but found nothing.
Thanks for your help,
Cheers,
Re: Disable automatic saved hosts
by bryan on Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:01 pm
Hi boucherjeanfra,
Anytime you start typing while the Host field is selected the New Host dialog will be displayed, to allow you to create a new Saved Host entry. If you're trying to modify an existing entry, select the desired entry in the Saved Host List, then right-click on this entry and select Rename Host. This will allow you to modify the existing entry without creating a new one.
I hope this helps.
Best Regards,
Bryan Brinkman
Support Engineer
DameWare Development, LLC.
http://www.dameware.com
Re: Disable automatic saved hosts
by Siggi on Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:18 am
Hello there,
I just installed the MRC7 and have the same problem as boucherjeanfra. I also want to get the "automatic-saving-a-new-host" feature disabled because in the past I always connected to a remote host by only typing in the adress. The hosts don't need to be saved. It's faster for me than selecting the host from a list.
Hope you got what I mean.
Re: Disable automatic saved hosts
by williaa on Wed Jan 26, 2011 4:01 pm
@Bryan, what we're wanting to know is if there's any way to disable the New Host dialog from displaying anytime you start typing while the host field is selected. It's more convenient for this to not happen when using the Mini Remote Control.
Re: Disable automatic saved hosts
by bryan on Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:36 pm
Thanks everyone for your feedback.
Presently there is no way to turn this functionality off. MRC v7 will automatically create a new Host Entry when you start typing, whereas v6 would create a (Temporary) entry. (Temporary) entries no longer exist in v7.
Kind Regards,
Bryan Brinkman
Support Engineer
DameWare Development, LLC.
http://www.dameware.com
Re: Disable automatic saved hosts
by Siggi on Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:12 am
Perhaps, it could be an idea to add a "Quick connect" adressbar to the next version of MRC for those who want to connect in that specific way?
Re: Disable automatic saved hosts
by bryan on Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:35 pm
Hi Everyone,
Just FYI, we're looking into adding some new functionality in the next release of the software, which will be 7.1.0.0, where you can turn off the Host Entry "Auto Save" feature. I will udpdate everyone as more information becomes available.
Best Regards,
Bryan Brinkman
Support Engineer
DameWare Development, LLC.
http://www.dameware.com
Re: Disable automatic saved hosts
by KCarney on Tue Feb 08, 2011 2:14 pm
So has it been added?
Re: Disable automatic saved hosts
by bryan on Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:17 pm
The new "Disable Auto Save" functionality was implemented in v7.1.0.0. On the MRC Remote Connect dialog (not from the main menu) first select the Edit menu, then enable the "DisableAuto Save" setting. This will instruct the software not to display the "new host" dialog when you modify the HostName/IP-Address of an existing Host Entry. Instead, a new temporary entry will be created, designated by a red circle with an x in the icon's lower right corner. If you close the MRC Remote Connect dialog, or simply Connect then Disconnect, this temporary entry will now be gone.
I hope this helps.
Bryan Brinkman
Support Engineer
DameWare Development, LLC.
http://www.dameware.com
Re: Disable automatic saved hosts
by KCarney on Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:57 pm
When "Disable Auto Save" option is enabled "reconnect" no longer functions properly, it now displays the last computer I connected to when the option was disabled. Please fix this
Re: Disable automatic saved hosts
by bryan on Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:35 pm
This is exactly how the reconnect option is designed to function, and this is the same way it worked in v6.x as well. By default only Saved Host entries are added to the Reconnect list, because we only have settings stored for the entries in your Saved Host list. There are no settings stored for any type of "temporary" entries, therefore, they are not added to the Reconnect list. If you need custom settings stored for any remote machine, then you must save it to your Saved Host List.
With that being said, there is a setting on the Local Global Options dialog called "Add only savedhost entries to Reconnect list". If you choose to disable this setting, then any machine you connect to will be added to the Reconnect list. However, since no custom settings exist for any of these non-saved machines, you may not be able to successfully reconnect.
If all of these non-saved machines use the same default credentials & settings, then you should be able to add these default credentials and settings to the Default Host Properties dialog. These Default Host settings are used when you create a new Host Entry. However, if you highlight an existing Saved Host Entry and then change the HostName or Ip-Address, then the settings from this Original Host Entry (not default) are used to create your new Temporary entry.
I hope this helps.
Bryan Brinkman
Support Engineer
DameWare Development, LLC.
http://www.dameware.com
Re: Disable automatic saved hosts
by KCarney on Wed Feb 09, 2011 2:39 pm
and this is the same way it worked in v6.x as well.
No, it didn't. It randomly picked a host that was connected to by any number of open DMRC windows, it was a little annoying at times but worked. This new version seems a lot cleaner
If you need custom settings stored for any remote machine, then you must save it to yourSaved Host List.
That makes sense.
With that being said, there is a setting on the Local Global Options dialog called "Add onlysaved host entries to Reconnect list". If you choose to disable this setting, then any machine you connect to will be added to the Reconnect list. However, since no custom settings exist for any of these non-saved machines, you may not be able to successfully reconnect.
That is exactly how it worked in 6x, I will give that a try. Thanks for explaining!
Re: Disable automatic saved hosts
by KCarney on Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:24 pm
Works great now in 7.2.0.0, thank you!
Re: Disable automatic saved hosts
by KCarney on Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:10 am
Correction, this works *sometimes*. After a week of using it disconnecting from a host and attempting to reconnect results in blanked out connection options. I have to enter the previous host manually to reconnect.
Re: Disable automatic saved hosts
by bryan on Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:02 pm
Just because you connected the first time doesn't mean you can immediately Reconnect to any machine when it's not saved in the Saved Host List. This is exactly why we did away with this feature initially for version 7.x, for all machines not saved to the Saved Host List.
When a machine is saved in the Saved Host List, we have all the settings necessary to Reconnect (UserID, Password, Port, etc...). However, when a machine is not saved to the SavedHost List, there are no settings we can use to Reconnect. Once you click on Disconnect, all those settings are now gone. We no longer have any settings for this machine. Therefore, by design, they will be blank settings exactly as you mentioned previously when you try to Reconnect, and the connection will fail.
The only way "Reconnecting" to a machine that's not explicitly saved to the Saved Host List will ever work would be if you enter the correct settings (UserID, PW, Port, etc..) under the Default Host Properties dialog (i.e. View / Default Host Properties from the main menu). Just keep in mind that these default settings would be the same settings used for all "Reconnect" attempts when a machine is not explicitly saved to the Saved Host List.
I hope this helps.
Best Regards,
Bryan Brinkman
Support Engineer
DameWare Development, LLC.
http://www.dameware.com
Re: Disable automatic saved hosts
by KCarney on Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:18 am
When a machine is saved in the Saved Host List, we have all the settings necessary to Reconnect (UserID, Password, Port, etc...). However, when a machine is not saved to theSaved Host List, there are no settings we can use to Reconnect. Once you click on Disconnect, all those settings are now gone. We no longer have any settings for this machine. Therefore, by design, they will be blank settings exactly as you mentioned previously when you try to Reconnect, and the connection will fail.
I would agree with you, however, I have set my default settings to "NT Challenge/Response" and "Use Current Logon Credentials" selected. *Sometimes* when I launch DMRC all settings are blank and "Encrypted Windows Logon" is selected with no machine name as host. So as you can see I don't need any saved settings, I don't want hosts automatically saved, and this should be working but is not.
Re: Disable automatic saved hosts
by bryan on Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:04 pm
Based upon the screen shots you sent to support, the software is working exatly as it should.
In your screen shot there is no Host Entry selected, instead, the Root folder (i.e. Saved Host List) was selected. When MRC starts up it will try to locate and highlight the last entry you connected to. However, when that entry cannot be found (i.e. it was not saved), then the root folder is selected. Therefore, by design, since a folder is currently selected and not a host entry, MRC will not go through all the work of pulling the default host properties just to populate the RC dialog. So the fact that you see Encrypted Windows Logon shown in the RC dialog while a folder is selected when you’ve selected NT Challenge/Response as default doesn’t mean there is an issue with the software.
Also, the fact that you say this only happens *sometimes* means that these other times when this does not happen, there must be an existing host entry already with this same name. So when you click on reconnect, those settings from the existing entry will be used and not default settings.
I hope this helps.
Bryan Brinkman
Support Engineer
DameWare Development, LLC.
http://www.dameware.com
Re: Disable automatic saved hosts
by TrafficTech on Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:09 am
I have a few comments to make on the Saved Host List of version 7.3.0. I currently have my settings to "Disable Auto Save" and I have disabled the "Add Only Saved Host Entries to Reconnect List". I seem to have found a little bug in the process.
1) If I enter a new temporary entry, it indeed populates in the reconnect list. I can go back and connect to another temporary address and that also goes into the reconnect list. I notice the reconnect list has only unique entries (If I reconnect to a previous entry using the Connect button and not the reconnect button. However, if I use the reconnect drop-down, the entries are no longer unique. Furthermore, when I close and reopen the application, my reconnect entries have vanished, the button is grayed out. This happens every time I use the reconnect button.
2) If I leave the Auto Save feature on, I would like to have an option to have unique entries in the Host List. The list can get long and I don't necessarily want to go through it every time, but I do not want to duplicate my entries either
3) I can understand that if I select a Saved Host entry and decide afterwards I want to connect to a temporary host instead, the Alias from the previous entry is still shown. What I don't like is that if I inadvertently left the alias there and connected, the entry listed in the reconnect drop down shows as ALIAS (HOST). I am more interested in the host and don't really want to see the alias entry (especially since I mistakenly left it in during the temporary entry previously).
David M
Systems Admin
Traffic Tech
Re: Disable automatic saved hosts
by bryan on Thu Mar 10, 2011 11:10 am
Hi David,
Thanks very much for all the info you provided. This should be now be resolved in v7.4.
Your feedback is appreciated.
Bryan Brinkman
Support Engineer
DameWare Development, LLC.
http://www.dameware.com